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« on: November 06, 2009, 02:04:01 PM »

hi everybody!  so my horsehead diamond ring arrived today from albuquerque!
i'm still amazed i got it, normally i would never buy something i wasn't 100% sure of, but my hubby thought it was a worthwhile buy so i did.  i also would have never known about horsehead diamonds without DBL.

so upon initial inspection i think it's about a .7ish carat, I-J, SI2ish.  this is my very humble and unsophisticated assessment. the ring is marked 14k which i think is right, and weighs in at 9 grams, pretty substantial.  the pawnshop owner said the gold itself was worth over $200 in scrap. my initial reaction that it's kinda ugly still stands (i think a hobbyist may have made it, it's not stamped but etched with '14k'), but it's grown on me in the last few hours, and the diamond is very sparkly and lively, i think in a better setting it could look amazing.

i forget who was talking about her pawnshop buys, but, per her story i took the ring to a jeweler to make sure it was a diamond, i was almost 99% sure about that part but still.  the jeweler said she had been a gemologist for 30 years and never seen or heard of a horsehead diamond before.  unfortunately, she was not impressed with it, she thought the idea itself was stupid, and my diamond in particular wasn't great.  Sad Cry Embarrassed she saw a few dark inclusions (i had too), and she thought that it used to be a full carat but was cut down to between .75-.8 to make the horsehead.  she said the prongs were worn down and noticed a chip in the table.  i had seen the chip right before i had taken it there too, which is a big bummer, i wonder if i couldn't get it fixed.
anyways, i'd love to post a picture but i can't find the cable to my camera!  i will figure something out because i'm dying to know what you guys think of the ring.
sorry for the long post!
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 03:30:49 PM »

Congratulations on your purchase!

Quite unlikely anyone - and most particularly a diamond cutter - would reduce yield from any shape to a horsehead by that much.

The chip on the table might be repolished, but it may take a good chunk of the diamond with it. The only way to know is to have a cutter see it. Given your description of the stone, it may be a natural rather than a chip.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2009, 03:45:59 PM »

thanks OMC, i'm so glad you brought that up. i'm unclear about what exactly a natural is. when i went to another jewelry store the owner tried to tell me a fairly pronounced chip on the girdle of a dark brown irradiated diamond was a "natural", can that be? i thought naturals were something that brought out the color in a stone.  Huh?
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 04:00:45 PM »

No - a "natural" is simply an area of the stone that has not been polished and thus is in its natural state. Usually it's an indentation on one of the facets which if removed would cause significant weight loss or an unacceptable loss of simmetry.

It's possible that that "chip" on the girdle was indeed a natural - though given your description of the store and of the stone, it could also have been a chip.

However a table is an unlikely place for a diamond to chip: they generally chip near a sharp edge, which is why I think your horsehead may have a natural on the table (and probably a few naughty inclusions where the horse head has been shaped - hence the choice of a very fancy shape rather than a more regular round or rectangular outline)
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 05:10:29 PM »

Quick question to anyone who might know, i have an ultrasonic cleaner, do you think with the questionable natural/chip it's safe to use?  sorry if that's a ridiculous question. thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 05:21:04 PM »

Not a ridiculous question at all. Much better safe than sorry.

Ultrasound is safe on chips, unless whatever caused the chipping has left other material almost loose but still attached by a thin edge. You should be able to see it using a loupe as a "crack" in the diamond that touches the surface. Naturals pose no problem whatsoever - after all they are a natural edge of the stone!
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 05:32:08 PM »

you are the best OMC, thanks a bunch!
visiting that jeweler earlier bummed me out quite a bit about my new diamond. i was super excited because the stone was bigger than i remembered and very clear and sparkly, it's definitely eye-clean, no cloudiness or anything. but she made me question the purchase, and made it seem like the stone was junk.  grr, did i mention i don't like local jewelers? she said the chip was bad, but looking at it through my loupe i don't think it created a crack. i'm not sure though...
i'll post pictures later tonight! 
thanks again!
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 06:14:05 PM »

Congratulations!

OMC has given such great advice!

we'd all love to see pics.....
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 07:21:11 PM »

Congratulations on your purchase!  OMC is a wonderful source of information, hey?

I can't wait for the photos!
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 08:34:02 PM »

I feel your pain, Allison.   It's rare to find a local jeweller that is really good, but they do exist.  

Can't wait to see the pictures.  It sounds like a great find.  Maybe you can have it reset as a pendant if you don't like the current setting.  BTW... did you see the horsehead earrings on DBL with the gold nosebands?  http://rockdiamond.c...ead-noseband-setting I think that's the coolest setting I've ever seen for such a wild cut.  It really enhances the integrity of the shape.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 09:12:51 PM »

yes i did see those earings, and i was thinking of the same thing for mine possibly, there is a tiny black inclusion along the chin i thought might be obscured by a bridle...  Evil  am always scheming a way to work with david.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2009, 10:41:02 PM »

ok i've tried about 9 times to do this now, so i think this'll be my last attempt for tonight, hopefully i didn't scale the image too small/


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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2009, 10:59:42 PM »

Second pic (closeup)


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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2009, 11:05:06 PM »

weirdly cropped finger shot.


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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2009, 11:36:56 PM »

Oh, I think you've got a great find, Allison!  I'm with you, I'd reset it; maybe with a noseband.  It looks like a man's ring, and the deep crevasses don't really help the the diamond shine or define the shape particularly.  It's a nice size, and if not as classic as the DBL earring shapes, it definitely is a clear horse and could be a lovely piece.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2009, 11:52:36 PM »

That's a pretty cool looking ring you've got there!  I can't believe the seller didn't notice it was a horse head, lol.  It looks like a nice size.

Oh, and congrats on figuring how to attach the photos!
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2009, 02:53:51 AM »

It looks like a lively stone. In the wrong setting. I'm with ah2bqat: that horse needs being set free!

BTW - I was looking for the chip/natural, but I can't see it, except possibly if it is on the neck, on the right?
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2009, 04:13:57 AM »

Oh, it's lovely! Sweet little horse.

I'm not crazy about the setting either, but it isn't unwearable or anything, maybe just not the right place for a horse to live.

If it was mine, I'd think about a bezel pendant, maybe with a little noseband.

David, if you ever have free time in June, you MUST come to the Royal Highland Show in Edinburgh with a selection of these horse head diamonds. I promise, they'd sell out in minutes. Then we can go to the beer tent...

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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2009, 08:07:21 AM »

The diamond is lovely but I agree it is in need of a setting that doesn't hide its shape as much.  Also, resetting it in a white metal might brighten it up a bit.  If it's going into a pendant, the noseband setting would be perfect!  If for a ring, I might consider a thin bezel with non-colorless pave around it to accentuate the shape.  Perhaps in the center of a dome ring?

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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2009, 09:05:19 AM »

What a neat ring and diamond....I agree that the horsehead shape could be set free, but there is something intriguing about the way the current setting creates a "mane" for the horse. Could that be done somehow in another setting?
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2009, 10:09:07 AM »

Why not set it in one of Davids pipe rings, I think that would look really fantastic.

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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2009, 10:17:09 AM »

thanks everybody for the nice replies! i was super happy with the ring when i opened up the package, it is a very nice size.
OMC, the chip is right in between the chin and the neck, at the very bottom right corner of the table.  i think it was maybe the cutters first time trying a horsehead, or maybe just not very experienced at it.  it's hard to say, but the details on the diamond aren't quite there for a great horsehead.  i agree that the diamond earings david had are definitely perfectly executed, you can see the lips and the eyes and everything, mine, not so much.
there is one dark inclusion midway along the chin, and another right where the chin meets the neck, i don't know if i captured it in the pics. but other than that, it seems reallly clean to me, when i turn it upsidedown however i can see more inclusions through the back.  boo.
i like Mrs. Mitchell's idea about a white gold bezel set pendant, i was thinking of something like that myself. Also I like Mikla's thoughts on the noseband pendant too though... for now it's just my lovely, weird, RHR.   Wink
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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2009, 08:01:37 PM »

David can get you some matching earrings!  This is exciting.   You do not see these everyday.  Good find. 
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2009, 08:44:48 PM »

Oh yes!  I love matching sets.  You must have the horse head earrings to match!  Sorry about the shameless enabling.   dontknow
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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2009, 09:46:43 PM »

hehehe, you guys are so funny.  thanks gia, i am happy with the find, horseheads are super unique.
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