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« on: January 17, 2010, 08:01:50 AM »

I love beautiful blue sapphires!  I've been partial to them for a long time.  My next project with possible sapphires will be refurbishing a ring that I got from my family (made in 1925).  I haven't quite decided what color I am going with, but leaning towards blue.

We need photos of the setting. Or of the ring that you'll be removing stones from.
I need to look to see if I have any right now.  I know I tried to take some a while ago but without a working tripod I don't think they came out.

I am missing two trillion side stones that fell out over the course of time.  My grandmother thought she remembered them to be sapphires but wasn't 100% sure.  It was her aunt's ring from a 2nd marriage (first husband died).  This aunt helped raise my grandmother after her own mother died.  My grandmother died just about a year  and a half ago (at the ripe old age of 97) and this was passed on to me in very bad shape.  I've had to get it re-shanked, some filigree work repaired and eventually the stones will be replaced.  It has been a work in progress for a year now.

Since I am not sure what I want on the side, I just hang on to it and dream a little about what it could look like.  I have worn it without the side stones and people still love it.

If I can't find any pictures I will take some after we get back from church Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2010, 08:47:13 AM »

These are not very good but it gives a good idea as to what the ring is like.  I should say it could have been made in 1924 too.  The marriage certificate I have is dated 1925 but the ring could have been given in 1924 if the engagement had been longer for the time.  I love having it and the certificate of marriage all the same Smiley

I admit I love vintage looking pieces.  We were looking for an "upgrade" for me (which is how I found this place) but decided a kitchen will come first.  To make me happy we bought an estate piece (.40 RB with 2 .04 single cut diamonds) instead.









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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2010, 09:08:48 AM »

I'm liking the peach Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2010, 11:25:49 AM »

Nice setting. FWIW, my opinion is that the setting was holding two triangular emeralds. These are fairly common in pieces from the 1920s, while calibre' cut rubies/sapphires would be uncommon and diamonds quite rare. Being relatively fragile stones, they could have shattered and have been removed, as well as being lost.

They should still be easy to find or have cut now, if you like the idea.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2010, 11:41:10 AM »

What a wonderful piece of family history!
Thanks for the pics and I'm sure David could organise a sympathetic restoration so you can pass it on for several more generations.
It's a lovely ring.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2010, 12:52:39 PM »

Nice setting. FWIW, my opinion is that the setting was holding two triangular emeralds. These are fairly common in pieces from the 1920s, while calibre' cut rubies/sapphires would be uncommon and diamonds quite rare. Being relatively fragile stones, they could have shattered and have been removed, as well as being lost.

They should still be easy to find or have cut now, if you like the idea.
Actually she knew they were blue stones but wasn't 100% sure if they were sapphires or not.  If I could get close shot you could easily see how the setting was just worn down which is why both sides of the stones fell out.  When she got the ring it only had the one stone and somewhere along the way the other fell out too.

I am torn between restoring it to it's original color and doing a red stone that would tie in her birthstone as well as my mother's (both have passed away) but can't quite decide.  More of an emotional decision than a practical one.  That's why I haven't completed it. 

I also didn't want to do any more work on it before the estate was officially settled in case they needed an appraisal of the ring.  Granted I fixed some things so the ring could be worn, but I didn't want to put money into it and mess with the official appraisal of the ring.  The estate should be settled officially soon and I have given proof of "receipt" of sorts to the lawyer in that I have received the ring.

I'm sure that makes sense.  If it were just a piece that I found I could more easily decide what to do and with the estate not being finalized it's a bit lower on my project list.  My next up I think is a reset of an older marquise I have.

Like I said jewelers love me.  I may not make huge purchases, but I buy a ton in repairs, resets and the like  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2010, 03:00:08 PM »

I love that sort of filigree work, clwgli.  It's a beaautiful piece, even incomplete.

I'm sure David and his gang at the factory can bring it completely back to new when you are ready to finish it out.  I can attest to the lovely refurbish and repair work they perform as well as their custom work.  There will come a time when they will see my Grandmother's ring, which has a similar type of filigree, but without the side stones.  Mom just won't part with it, even tho there is work to be done.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2010, 03:12:22 PM »

Hmm. Interesting dilema on the birthstones v original colour. I think I'd go with the original colour - I have noticed that a piece designed for a certain stone doesn't always look perfect with another colour, even though the metal should go equally well with either. That setting screams "sapphires" to me, for what it's worth.

What ever colour you go with, perhaps you could incorporate the other in a thin band to wear with it?

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2010, 03:19:07 PM »

Well, if they were blue, I stand corrected. They were definitely sapphires - possibly synthetic, which at the time were very fashionable.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2010, 08:31:49 PM »

Hmm. Interesting dilema on the birthstones v original colour. I think I'd go with the original colour - I have noticed that a piece designed for a certain stone doesn't always look perfect with another colour, even though the metal should go equally well with either. That setting screams "sapphires" to me, for what it's worth.

What ever colour you go with, perhaps you could incorporate the other in a thin band to wear with it?


I am leaning towards blue honestly, but every now and then I think I want red.  I don't know though.  I have seen quite a lot of rings with the emeralds as well as rubies (or look alikes) and of course sapphires.  My sister has a ring with sapphires as well (or look alikes of course) and I do like it.  I was thinking red spinel at one point too as well as maybe rhodolite garnet.  I think I need to have stones called in some where and see them in my face.

This is definitely a right hand ring for me though, so no band to be worn with it.  I have very small fingers (short too) so I don't have a lot of space.  I tried wearing this with a wedding band I have but I had no space for it.  Truly it isn't quite my style, but I do like to wear it now and then.  For a teeny little diamond, it really has a lot of life.

ah2bqat, I would love to see pictures of the ring you are talking about.  These types are so beautiful to me.

Oldmancoyote, I didn't realize a lot of synthetics were used back then.  When did they start using synthetic stones to begin with?  I am very interested in old pieces and how they were created.  We found a lot of beautiful items in her estate that we handed out.  One of my favorites was an old palladium setting.  I have no idea how old the ring is, but I admit it was the first time I ever heard of that metal being used.  Now I notice they are starting to use it more in some settings again.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 08:48:03 PM »

Well, I don't think you could go wrong with either rubies or sapphires. Even pink sapphires. Since you are leaning toward the blue, go for blue. It is a lovely ring. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2010, 02:43:15 AM »

The Verneuil process for making synthetic rubies and sapphires was invented in the late 1800s and the first industrial scale production goes back to the early 1900s (amongst other things for making low-friction surface bearings to use in watches). From about 1910 to 1935 the use of synthetic corundum was fashionable even in expensive jewellery.

As far as I know palladium was first marketed as a jewellery metal in the late 1930s/early '40s because of restrictions in the availability of platinum (used in making explosives). There was another attempt at making it popular in the mid 1950s, and again in the late 2000s, but it never really caught. These are the periods for which it is relatively more common to encounter palladium jewellery, but there may be pieces made at other times, since the metal is used in industry and stock for fabrication has been readily available throughout the 20th century.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2010, 08:36:25 AM »

I'm liking the peach Smiley
Weird-this was written to respond to the 'Choosing the Sapphire' thread, not sure how it got here!?!?!  Sorry.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2010, 09:09:24 AM »

DL - I think David may have "lifted" it together with the other posts when he created the separate thread for clwgli's ring
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2010, 11:20:58 AM »

I'm liking the peach Smiley
Weird-this was written to respond to the 'Choosing the Sapphire' thread, not sure how it got here!?!?!  Sorry.

My apologies- I did miss your post when I split the thread DL!
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2010, 09:14:25 AM »

No Problem D, I thought I was just going nuts!   Wink
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2010, 06:29:06 PM »

The Verneuil process for making synthetic rubies and sapphires was invented in the late 1800s and the first industrial scale production goes back to the early 1900s (amongst other things for making low-friction surface bearings to use in watches). From about 1910 to 1935 the use of synthetic corundum was fashionable even in expensive jewellery.

As far as I know palladium was first marketed as a jewellery metal in the late 1930s/early '40s because of restrictions in the availability of platinum (used in making explosives). There was another attempt at making it popular in the mid 1950s, and again in the late 2000s, but it never really caught. These are the periods for which it is relatively more common to encounter palladium jewellery, but there may be pieces made at other times, since the metal is used in industry and stock for fabrication has been readily available throughout the 20th century.
Thyank you for information on both!  I really had no idea how popular synthetics were back then.  I in my lack of knowledge just assumed most of the gems in quality jewelry were real.  Interesting to hear that it may not be the case.

I had read a little about palladium a short while ago since we were researching for the estate.  I didn't realize that it mostly hasn't been used since the 50s.  I was looking at settings about a year ago and came across Scott Kay who seems to use Palladium a lot.  I actually was considering getting a setting in it since I have a hard time wearing platinum (just the pure weight of it).  I decided against it for a bunch of reasons.

I do appreciate all thoughts on this thread though.  If you were to ask me today I'd get it reset with some red stone.  If anyone has any other suggestions I'd love to hear them.  I have a feeling I will just keep this ring in the family for a long time.  I have another family piece that I am holding on to until I find the right family to claim it.  Makes me wish I had girls to pass these on to  Grin
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2010, 09:13:06 PM »



I might have the same setting...What does your's look like from the side?
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2010, 09:31:35 PM »

Wow y2kitty. That looks exactly like it. I love the sapphire trillions. So very pretty. I love the vintage diamond and sapphire rings.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2010, 05:57:56 PM »



I might have the same setting...What does your's look like from the side?
Very very pretty!!!  I will try to get a side shot soon.  We're kind of in camera limbo here so it might be a few weeks Sad  I have a nice DSLR but with the dreary weather we have and no working tripod, pictures aren't too easy to take.  I'll have to play with my DH's camera to see if we can get something good.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2010, 08:48:22 PM »

Here are two pictures I just took.  I looked through my loupe and there are signs of some milgrain but definitely not the double around the stone.  The outer octagon has it, but the inner actually is two small sets of octagons with hand engraving.  But here are the two side shots I got



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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2010, 09:36:07 PM »

These rings are spectacular!  Blue or red (or green, if you don't need to use the ultrasonic), it'll be gorgeous any way!

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2010, 10:31:59 PM »

I second that thought, Mikla!  both are beautiful rings - and the next time I get down to SA to visit the seniors, I'll try for a couple of shots  of G'ma's ring.  Dare I say, it's my favorite yellow gold?
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2010, 11:17:09 PM »

My filagree is different than your's (I think I like your's better)


Should I have my white gold replated?
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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2010, 03:12:51 AM »

I wouldn't. 1920s white gold is quite white in and of itself because it typically contains a fair amount of nickel. But do get the ring cleaned professionally - it's tough to get the gunge out of such an intricate design.
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