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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2010, 01:04:26 AM »

Actually, SV, Fancy Deep (and Fancy Dark) are past the peak on the "desirability" curve, which is normally somewhere in Fancy Vivid territory, so a very very saturated Deep (i.e. closer to a Dark) may actually cost less than a good Fancy
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2010, 08:42:07 AM »

Actually, SV, Fancy Deep (and Fancy Dark) are past the peak on the "desirability" curve, which is normally somewhere in Fancy Vivid territory, so a very very saturated Deep (i.e. closer to a Dark) may actually cost less than a good Fancy
I truly had no idea about that.  I noticed that I am more drawn to the lighter shades of most colors in general (if that makes sense).  I somehow thought that more color always meant more cost with all other things being equal.
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2010, 08:55:37 AM »

Two pearls of wisdom:

"All generalisations are false"
(anonymous)

"Epimenides the Cretan says all Cretans are liars. Since he is Cretan and knows the Cretans well, we should believe him"
(paraphrased from Paul's Epistle to Titus)

In that context (and in the context of someone who lately paid top dollars for a Fancy Deep - probably on a par with a good vivid, and is entirely happy with that), there is an interesting discussion on colour in Richard Wise's book on gems Secrets of the Gem Trade. I'll see if I can scan and post a copy of the relevant pages, but his argument basically runs along the lines of "people will pay most for what is most attractive" - for yellow and other light colours that means highly saturated and bright shades with a medium tone; for red (and pink), blue and green, medium saturation and medium-dark tone are more attractive, since higher saturation and darker tone become too dark for the stone's beauty and colour to be apparent in most lighting situations. Have you ever seen a really dark sapphire? It can look black - and it's a lot less nice than a medium blue!

[soapbox mode off]apologies for the long paragraph...
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« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2010, 09:33:30 AM »

I googled once and found FOUR different versions of what was supposed to be a list of GIA's nine fancy-color grading categories. It drove me insane. Then, I realized (when I looked at one of my GIA Colored Diamond Grading Reports) that the "scale" used by GIA to label fancy colors is not linear. That is to say, when evaluating hue, tone and saturation, the terms they use to describe fancy color categories can overlap one another visually. Hard to explain. Check out the diagram on the far right in the featured GIA report here (hard to see, I know... I'd scan one, or link to a better pic, however I've got to run right now):

http://coloreddiamon...oloredDiamonds.shtml

OMC, of course, Fancy Deep and Fancy Vivid DO overlap in terms of both tone AND hue. (Aghhhh!!!)  hypnodisk  1087 hypnodisk
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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2010, 09:35:28 AM »

OMC- i tried to apply your self portrait here. It seemed appropriate. when you start talking like that, i picture you in your smoking jacket and glass of champagne  Grin
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« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2010, 09:42:18 AM »

You mean you actually manage to read what I write? I'm highly flattered. a08 Grin
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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2010, 10:00:10 AM »

YES! and 80% of the time, i actually understand it!  Evil
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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2010, 10:17:53 AM »

super interesting OMC!  and makes complete sense to me.
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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2010, 10:53:50 AM »

I admit after reading that I went "duh"  It does make a lot of sense that it is that way.  I obviously knew that less color is desirable to a point and then there is the area where more color is more desirable too.  I sort of had that bell curve going on but didn't think that it would curve back at a point.

I totally get it all now  Embarrassed
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« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2010, 01:05:43 PM »

David, does the FDOP heart show fluorescence?  david
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« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2010, 02:00:46 PM »

I am on the fence about this one...  I am not really a fan of the heart shape (though it is pretty) but I do like the color...
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« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2010, 08:26:26 PM »

David, does the FDOP heart show fluorescence?  david

Yes T- it's strong blue ( by my estimation)

As omc alluded to,  the word "Deep" decimates the price, compared to Vivid.
I'd estimate a Fancy Vivid Orangy Pink in a 1.25ct size to be upwards of $400k

In the best of cases, GIA makes a call in favor of the consumer ( in a  way) by grading a borderline stone Deep, instead of Vivid.
Here is just such a case


This Fancy Vivid Deep Orangy Yellow is so very close to vivid

The heart?
It might be confused with a Vivid...Salmon(?) color.
The hue itself is nowhere near as bright as yellow or Orange- or pink, for that matter.
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« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2010, 08:51:44 PM »

I LOVE that orange. That heart really isn't my cup of tea. But price? If it's the right price it might be someone else's.
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« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2010, 10:16:34 PM »

maybe the key with the heart would be that it is so different. after all it isn't a color you would see everyday. i'm sure there is someone out there would like a stone that is totally unique. hmmm maybe i'll have another look now.
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« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2010, 01:25:27 AM »

What r you talking about!
I think this heart is really lovely both shape and color. It will look amazing and really pop in single heart pendant.  heart2
One of my concern is that it doesn't look very sparkle in the pictures. May be because the fluoresense.  Huh?
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« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2010, 02:20:52 AM »

I love the deep colors.  That will be my next colored diamond. After a house and a baby and so on. 
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« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2010, 03:07:34 AM »

Namtan - I think the dark, saturated tone is why there isn't a lot of sparkle. A lot of light is absorbed by the diamond.

GIAGirl: normally the house and the baby come after the diamond. And the ring. And the dress. And the cake. And the trip. But perhaps I'm rubbing salt on open wounds here.  Kiss
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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2010, 08:13:05 AM »

OMC:  a082

For what it is worth, if I liked the color IRL, the blue fluorescence, combined with the deep hue, probably would make this a no-go for me. The missing sparkle doesn't deter, rather, I miss that the stone doesn't seem "crisp" and aqueous.
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« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2010, 08:24:21 AM »

i'm all about the sparkle. i would love to see both stones out in full sunlight, that way i could judge the sparkle factor.
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« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2010, 06:50:37 PM »

 beautiful salmon color ! but not crazy about the shape.
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« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2010, 10:05:51 PM »

That is interesting, I didn't realize they could be too saturated and reduce in value.  That orange appeals to me.   Stats? 
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« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2010, 11:23:14 PM »

I dunno, guys.  I'm going to side with Nantam on this one.  I think it's just stunning, and would be a knockout as a pendant -  solitaire or set in a halo.

Oh, dear.  I hope this doesn't mean I've given it the kiss of death.  Seems like every stone I get the hots for isn't as popular as I think it should be!  Sad
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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2010, 01:40:50 AM »

That is interesting, I didn't realize they could be too saturated and reduce in value.  That orange appeals to me.   Stats? 

0.72 fancy deep orangy yellow; SI1; strong yellow fluor - R3114. Currently being set.
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« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2010, 03:22:20 PM »

I didn't even realize that was yours, that is the ring with the half moons and bags right?  Or is this another?   
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« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2010, 04:27:46 PM »

That's the one. I'm coming to NYC to pick it up in early April - if any other CDIers are in town, let me know and we can meet!
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