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« on: October 02, 2008, 02:06:18 PM »

Since you folks are the "go to guys" regarding discussing (and appreciating) color in diamonds, I thought I'd come here and ask for thoughts and opinions on this stone.

My local jeweler has a 7.04 carat transitional cut diamond that was graded as O-P (very light brown). The jeweler disputes this grading because the stone shows no yellowish tint at all. In fact I would call it a light pink champagne.

He is understandably concerned that the O-P grade could cause him to get less for the stone than a higher grade or a fancy modifier. GIA has said he could resubmit the stone for reevaluation. If it comes back the same he has to pay for the reeval. He has also thought of sending it to EGL.

There isn't a big demand for certified stones in this geographic location (Oklahoma), but there also isn't a very big market for 7 carat diamonds. What do you think would be the best course of action for him to take?

I'm going to try to attach some pictures for you to see.






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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2008, 02:20:56 PM »

What a beautiful colour. That's lovely. Wish I could afford it, I like it very much.

Sorry, that wasn't an expert opinion at all. I just think it's a very pretty stone and yes, it looks pink to me in these pics. Lovely!

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2008, 03:12:27 PM »

That is a gorgeous rock!
 
It looks pink in the pictures.  Or is that a reflection from your nails? dontknow  The reason I ask is because the first photo shows two facets on the left at 9 o'clock distinctly reflecting red and the color is bouncing to 11, 3 and 6 o'clock and the table looks pinker than the rest of the diamond.   

I don't think the diamond looks icy white, or white, but definitely a warm color as seen even more so in the profile shot.

I'm certainly not an expert diamond grader, but that's what I see in the photos.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2008, 03:19:44 PM »

Mmmm - as far as I know, GIA will grade yellow or brown tint diamonds on the D-Z scale. As such, I don't think they would re-grade the diamond any differently than what they have already. Then again - who am I to know what GOD excuse me, GIA will do.

One option - but I don't think it's going to change all that much - is for the dealer to re-submit the stone for a color origin report only. This may end up only quoting the "very light brown" part of the colour. At any rate, it will not be rated as "fancy" by GIA; though lovely, it's far too faint, and "fancy" in GIA parlance has a specific tone and saturation meaning; but GIA has already recognised that it is a coloured diamond.

I should think that anyone that is in the market for a 7ct stone is either too rich to care or sufficiently well informed to appreciate what the original report says. He/she is also going to be sufficiently savvy to smell a rat several miles away if seeing a 7-er graded by EGL or IGI or TLA-other lab.

Another option - Has your friend considered AGSL?

Personally, I agree with Jen. If I could afford it I would buy it!
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2008, 04:06:55 PM »

Upgradable, certainly, it is difficult to determine any accurate color – especially one so subtle as this – via computer screen.  But, from what I can see, the diamond looks to have a lovely, subtle pinkish brownish color.  And, it seems to be a beautiful stone as well.

If the stone were lively enough, I'd purchase something like this as well (a-hem, assuming my  icon_porc -y bank was up to the task).

The diamond reminds me of David's R2620, which GIA graded L, Faint Brown. The color on R2620 became more noticeable, and even looked pinkish, after the stone was set in rose gold.  Perhaps your jeweler should try setting the diamond...

As for the rest of it, I agree with OMC.  Stick with GIA.  Obviously, your jeweler would like to get the most money possible for the stone, and he/she knows that any mention of "pink" or "fancy" will increase the stone's value.  But, as OMC says, it will never be a fancy, and the cost of reevaluating the stone just to have it called faint brown or similar, probably isn't worth the effort. I doubt they would call it "faint pink," but, I suppose anything is possible.

If I were the jeweler, I'd set it with high-color white sides or halo and use rose gold around the center diamond.  Then, ask a sale price based upon the overall quality, beauty, rarity and desirability of the entire piece, not just the report on the center stone. A custom piece with top-shelf craftsmanship and exquisite or unusual design would be my preference.

If I were a buyer, however, I'd try to purchase the diamond loose, based upon the report calling it O-P.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2008, 04:24:37 PM »

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A custom piece with top-shelf craftsmanship and exquisite or unusual design would be my preference.

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2008, 04:27:44 PM »

You're right, OMC. I should have said "exquisite AND unusual."   angel
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 05:40:21 PM »

This reminds me of the UV light brown I had (and still miss).  I was sure it had pink in it too.  I think these non-pink pinks are fabulous for the buyer, though I understand the frustration for the seller.  It should definitely be set in rose gold!
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2008, 12:52:23 AM »

Something like this, maybe?
http://rockdiamond.c...171ct-gia-rbc-center
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