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« on: March 10, 2008, 07:28:24 PM »
What does 'Undetermined' origin on a GIA report mean? 

Does this mean the diamond is not real or just the color is not natural?

How does this affect the price?
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 07:31:56 PM »
I was under the impression that origin: undetermined meant that the lab didn't know where the diamond was mined?

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 07:37:16 PM »
I'd really need to see the GIA report, and know the circumstances to understand what was going on here. 

Is this a diamond for sale? Or did someone we know submit a diamond and get this result?

This has nothing to do with where the diamond was mined
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 07:52:39 PM »
Sorry the 'Undetermined' origin was under color on the GIA report.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 08:05:30 PM »
Really? OK, I'm dying to know what this might mean.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 08:07:46 PM »
I am too!

I saw it on a GIA certificate for a stone that was for sale by an estate dealer, thought is was kind of strange myself, but I am NO expert!
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2008, 04:35:11 PM »
It was a greenish looking diamond!?!?!
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2008, 05:04:09 PM »
Natural green diamonds are so unbelievably rare, there is less developed testing to ensure that stones are natural if they're green.
What is done in the rare case of a natural green nowadays, is to submit the rough to GIA prior to polishing, and also along the way.  This way GIA knows its natural 100%.

Generally speaking, I would stay away from a diamond with the term "Undetermined" on the GIA report
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 08:15:02 AM »
D-Very interesting, I had no idea that you could summit rough to the GIA to be certified!  It sounds like quit the process if someone was going to be polishing green rough to make sure its color is completely natural!  No worries on my end purchasing the stone with the undetermined color origin, it was still crazy expensive and I don't think I want to be selling a few vehicles for it and walking everywhere! Smiley  Thanks for the info though, very fascinating!!!
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2008, 09:01:19 AM »
DL - I don't suppose this was that TO DIE FOR $50,000 Intense Fancy Green oval ring on eBay? xD
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2008, 09:16:52 AM »
Sarahbelle-No it wasn't, this was a .47ct radiant cut Fancy Bluish Green, set  in gorgeous hand engreved Platinum band, in an estate jewelry section of a crazy expensive jewelry store.  I would have loved to take a pic, but they don't allow!

There is an oval on ebay?  Is it pretty?
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2008, 11:09:55 AM »
HI Guys,
To die for? How about " to get scammed by"?
Any eBay seller getting 3 negatives a month is obviously doing bad stuff- to say nothing of the total BS of their bogus $1 no reserve auctions.
I get pretty angery when I see this stuff because I hate when people who are in the same business I am that are so clearly dishonest....
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 01:08:47 PM »
I just searched for that oval and see what you are talking about D, its a shame that there are people trying to deceive you everywhere, in every type of business really!!!
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2008, 02:35:01 PM »
I bought a diamond pendant from this seller once.  Never again!  They don't answer emails, they don't ship for weeks and weeks and when the item turned up it only JUST fitted the description.  It was ok but that was it.

Did anybody see from the same seller the 5.09 GIA Fancy Pinkish Purple Diamond that "sold" for $2,150,000?  David  - am I allowed to put up a link to it?
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2008, 02:44:12 PM »
If it's OK, I'd prefer to let sleeping slimey rats lie.......why push anyone to that horrible seller- even to look.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 03:33:57 PM »
 icon_thumleft  Good thinking!  icon_salut
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 05:42:20 PM »
Yikes! I didn't mean to rattle the hornet's nest!

I meant that the color was to die for-- as soon as I saw it (especially going as a $1 no reserve auction) my scam alarm went off. I should have been more clear.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 06:51:50 PM »
I saw it too...there is something about the sparkle of a natural colored stone that the treated ones just do not have...I smell something fishy here. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 06:53:42 PM »
totally MY bad Sarahbelle!!

I apologize for being a hothead.

I suppose it's all part of the package- I'm passionate about what I do, so when I see sellers acting in what looks to be some serious misrepresentation, I donl;t even bother to look at the merchandise.

NO question, a legit, nicely cut Fancy Green Oval, would likely be "To die for"! (Not that I would ever suspect that this seller would have such a thing)

As far as a $2 million diamond being auctioned for a dollar, with no reserve... the notion is so ludicrous, it would seem to be even beyond discussion! But of course it is noteworthy in that somehow, eBay does not put an end to this tomfoolery.

Once you start looking at the bidders and their behavior, you realize the whole thing is just a scam.

I suppose, the way sellers like these survive, is by utilizing the old "spaghetti theory", which is-
Throw enough of something against the wall and some of it is bound to stick.
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