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« on: May 10, 2010, 11:08:55 PM »

So, not about colored diamonds, but about a colored stone... 
I remember david custom designed a wicked cool alexandrite ring a while back, and it was the first time i'd read or seen anything about that stone. 
How rare are alexandrites? 
Can they be created?  Do they look the same, and have that cool color changing quality if they're lab created?
How much do they cost?
Are they always purplish or do they come in other colors like topaz'?
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2010, 08:08:26 AM »

True natural Alexandrite with a good colour change is very rare and correspondingly expensive. Think thousands per carat; tens of thousands for largish (1.00 ct+) stones.

Synthetic Alexandrite is commonly available, quite cheap, and can have a very good colour change; sometimes what is sold as "synthetic Alexandrite" is not at all Alexandrite (oxide of aluminium and beryllium, or beryllium aluminate) but colour-change synthetic Sapphire (aluminium oxide with appropriate dopants, mostly vanadium) or spinel (oxide of magnesium and aluminium, or magnesium aluminate).

Beryllium aluminate exists in other colours - it is known variously as Chrysoberyl (green-yellow), or Cymophane (yellow, chatoyant), and many non-colour change hues in red-to-blue-to-greenish blue which are all known as Alexandrite.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2010, 10:47:18 AM »

amazing explanation OMC!  you're the coolest, thx!  i didn't realize so many different kinds of stones change color, that is sweet.
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2010, 01:44:34 PM »

Thanks for that great info omc!!
We've done Alexandrite rings in the past- I'll see if I can find photos.....
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2010, 02:54:07 PM »

I've not seen much Alexandrite IRL, however, I did see one of the stones David had in his office once. One really needs to see a good one in order to appreciate these gems. The not-so-good ones can be kind of dark and muddy in appearance (and if you are not careful, you will pay too much for a so-so gem just because it "is" the coveted Alexandrite).

As OMC said, this rare variety of chrysoberyl is extremely rare and pricey; one of THE most expensive of ALL colored gemstones. In fact, many consider Alexandrite to be a sort of Holy Grail of gemstones. The dominant color depends on the light source at the time (daylight looks green, tungston/candlelight looks red or brownish red). Some say it is emerald by day ruby by night. There are other color-change gems, including sapphire, tourmaline and apatite.

Like all chrysoberyl, Alexandrite is relatively hard – 8.5 on the Mohs scale – although it can be brittle.

Interestingly, it was originally found in the Urals of Russia (and named for Czar Alexander) in the early 1800's. The Urals are the location of the OTHER rare and highly coveted green gemstone, Demantoid garnet, which was found about 30 years later (guess we'll have to pack-up and head to the Urals, LOL)!

Along with the usual pricing factors for colored gems, there are unique pricing considerations for color-changers. The intensity of colors, the extreme to which the colors change, the crispness and distinctness of the change, and the purity of the two colors are factors which come into play. For example, in the best of the best, you will see a distinct, pure intense red which will change rapidly (without going through muddy intermediate colors) into distinct, pure intense green.

Also, there is color-change garnet, a brand-newbie to the gem market. I have one, however, I don't think that I have pics of the two colors (teal and raspberry red). This is a stone that a cutter sent to me when I said I was looking for something special that was "durable, clean, and collectible." I would rate this stone's talent for color-change to be on a par with most quality Alexandrite.

To be honest, I would not have chosen this variety of gem myself. However, left with a parcel of stones over the course of several days, to my surprise, I grew to love the garnet (and it was my son's favorite out of more than a dozen beautiful stones). DS and I had a blast moving the gem all around the house and outside watching it change colors. Definitely a performer and lots of fun.

One final note, all the color change gems are extremely difficult to photograph and appreciate without seeing them in person.

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 05:32:52 PM »

Trink you are a goldmine,  Kiss that's some more awesome information. 
I was reading a book about diamonds, the history and (very little) of the chemistry, and it said that the existence of demantoid garnets were an indicator for finding diamonds.  i love my red garnet earrings, but i have no idea what demantoid means, and only recently realized that garnets come in green too.  silly me.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 06:27:55 PM »

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One final note, all the color change gems are extremely difficult to photograph and appreciate without seeing them in person.

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...one of the reasons being that the element at the base of the colour change in many if not all the cases is chromium, which causes strong absorption/rejection of colour bang in the middle of the peak colour range of daylight. This is not only the light that changes the most: clear vs. cloudy day makes a massive difference in the extent of yellow/orange (580-590 nm) light in the environment, but it's also the peak sensitivity of the human eye, so the effect is compounded

Film (or CCD) is not quite so peaky, but while differences "to the eye" get interpolated and adjusted by that wonderful signal processor that is the brain, and we don't "see" the difference in colour, once the image is captured by the film or the sensor quite faithfully to "real" absorption/reflection, the brain cannot re-interpret it quite as easily (because the rest of the picture does not change as much).
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PS: other stones that are a pain to picture accurately are emeralds (chromium), rubies (chromium), red spinels (chromium), chrome tourmaline (chromium). You get the gist.  Funnily enough, Crocoite, which is a chromium mineral (lead chromate) with a lovely bright red colour is actually very easy to photograph well. Go figure...

Here endeth the (photochromatic) lesson. Sorry for boring you.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 06:50:34 PM »

Ahahahahaha! OMC, I just finished the following post, and I read what you posted in the meantime. I had to crack-up... we BOTH used the blasted soapbox smiley!  Insufferable bunch we are...  1087

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Silly you, indeed, SV! It just happens to be that demantoid and another green garnet, tsavorite, as well as the gem chrysoberyl in its wild chartreuse hue, are some of my very favorite stones.

Quickie Demantoid Primer:
The garnet family can be complicated in terms of the make-up of stones; often, there are compositional crossovers between the several garnet family varieties. Garnets most often come in red and pink, as well as green, yellow, orange (think beautiful spessartite in its Fanta-colored "Mandarin" form) and many earthy shades.

Demantoid is a form of the variety andradite (a fairly common variety of garnet that comes in several colors). Green demantoid is known for its dispersion, which is higher than the dispersion of a diamond. Also, demantoid's refractive index is the highest of all garnets. The very best demantoid is the color of emerald. Although there are now other sources, the Russian material is most desired, and "horsetail inclusions" in the stones are coveted because they are indicators of Russian origin. So, this is one stone where the inclusions actually ADD value. The root of the name demantoid comes from "demant" meaning diamond, alluding to the stone's diamond-like fiery properties.

 1857272 I'll get down now.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2010, 06:52:22 PM »

OMC: never boring!  notworthy
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 06:55:15 PM »

Ahahahahaha! OMC, I just finished the following post, and I read what you posted in the meantime. I had to crack-up... we BOTH used the blasted soapbox smiley!  Insufferable bunch we are...  1087
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Well, at least the forum software is smart enough not to cause crashes and post losses (differently from other forums...). And there's enough space for both of us on that soapbox, T. Grin
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 07:20:49 PM »

 1857272 chestbump 1857272
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2010, 02:23:48 AM »

I have a lab created Alexandrite and it is tucked away somewhere where I hope to set it after we move. Let me see if I can post some photos. It is really hard to photograph!!



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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2010, 08:37:35 AM »

I know that David has been BUSY. Here's a link to the custom alexandrite ring that he produced (should go on a DBL site custom piece page!  Evil ). The ring was exquisite... a sensational one-of-a-kind design and the rose gold was absolutely to die for!

http://coloreddiamon...g88664.html#msg88664

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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2010, 02:04:50 PM »

Thanks T!!

Here's a few photos of the 2.12ct Natural Alexandrite..

Alexandrite is quite hard to find.
It's known for the color change personality.

Here's a 2.12 gem quality Alexandrite we've made a ring for.....





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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2010, 03:02:46 PM »

I like that stone a lot. Unique ring, too.

I didn't realise just how dramatic the colour change is.
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2010, 04:36:58 PM »

such an awesome ring D.  
i like your asscher alexandrite too, Lyta.  how do you want to set it?
i was just in a jewelry store i've never been in to put them to check them out.  he seemed competent and nice, though the one yellow diamond ring they had looked like it was put together with spare parts, just cheap looking.  anyways, he had two tiny natural alexandrites, around .35ct each, he wanted $2000ish for either one.  they were pretty, i didn't handle either of them so i didn't really get a sense of clarity and i didn't witness any color change.  it seemed like a lot for such small stones.  he said he could get .5ct gem quality synthetic alexandrites for $250.  
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2010, 05:11:39 PM »

I have a setting for the stone but I can't get around to doing anything about it until after we move. It doesn't photograph well I must say. I haven't seen any in person so I can't compare how it looks to a natural stone. It is the same chemical makeup as the natural stone but just made in a lab. I got mine for $89/ct and I could choose the cut and size. The natural stones are quite spendy so this was a nice fun experiment for me to do. June is my birthday and isn't Alexandrite the birthstone along with pearls?

Oh here is the setting...
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2010, 05:22:02 PM »

These are some beautiful stones!!!  A dear friend of mine in HS had a simulated alexandrite ring and I just loved it (her birthstone).  I don't see them too often, but I love it all the same.  I was always hopeful that I would have a kid in June, but oh well.

Lyta that setting is lovely.  I bet the stone will look awesome in it.
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2010, 07:11:33 PM »

Really, if you love the look and color change phenomena of alexandrite, and want to stay with a natural gem, look into the color change garnets. Currently, they are sourced from several locations. They are less pricey than alexandrite, however, I hear the prices continue to climb, some are already quite costly (and gems from certain sources fetch higher prices than gems from others)...
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2010, 10:15:41 PM »

nice tip trink!  i think i already blew my jewelry money for the year with the pendant that david's fixing up for me, but i'm going to talk to david eventually about a color change garnet, or alexandrite, i know he can find me something really cool.
Lyta, we must be soul-mates, because i love all your stuff!  i love the double claw prongs on your asscher, it's definitely a chameleon, the stone looks totally different set.
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2010, 10:44:58 PM »

Oh it is a totally different stone in there Saori! I haven't set the Alexandrite yet. Wink I should dig up a profile photo on that ring. It's a pretty one! ETA: Here it is!



Sapphires can do the color change too but I don't know how pricey or common they are to find.
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2010, 11:40:04 PM »

 N1oops03HL2 hehe, i feel silly.  man, i really love that ring though!  very very nice, thx for the profile shots!
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2010, 03:50:59 AM »

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Sapphires can do the color change too but I don't know how pricey or common they are to find.

They aren't particularly common, but (compared to other types of sapphires) are not expensive. Probably because the colour change is limited, and is generally from violet/purple to blue, which although nice is not as surprising as alexandrite.
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